vol 2 over vol 1 is nasty man
Vol.2 is really great. Vol. 1 has some highs but a lot of filler and dated songs.
Money Cash Hoes, Hard Knock Life, Reservoir Dogs, If I Should Die, Jigga Who, A Week Ago all fire.
It’s a good ranking
Part of what you’re noticing I think is how good Jay has been at self mythologizing and marketing his albums long term
From Reasonable Doubt on, these are not albums that just came out and got a certain reception
Years of narratives and revisiting and referencing past works, and reframing them in the context of Jay’s greater career story, including things like this ranking, have always made the public reexamine the albums in interesting ways
Reasonable Doubt went from slept on album to undeniable classic
Vol 1 went from being seen only for its botched singles to being lauded for the quality of the rest
Vol 2 was a smash on impact, but Hov ranking it so high in this ranking had an effect. Around this time, it was a given that his top 3 were RD, BP, and TBA for most people. AG was usually the 4th. When Hov made this ranking emphasizing the importance of Vol 2 in his career, people started to follow suit and the album is thrown out closer to the top
There’s just something about Hov’s catalog, it’s kind of like The Beatles. Every piece feels like it matters. The art the titles and consistency in branding. And I really think the way that we all have a collective idea of these albums is more important than the quality itself. It’s something deeper that stands out. It’s one thing that Nas was clearly less successful with: projects like Street’s Disciple just don’t “feel important” somehow on a surface level way.
It’s a good ranking
Part of what you’re noticing I think is how good Jay has been at self mythologizing and marketing his albums long term
From Reasonable Doubt on, these are not albums that just came out and got a certain reception
Years of narratives and revisiting and referencing past works, and reframing them in the context of Jay’s greater career story, including things like this ranking, have always made the public reexamine the albums in interesting ways
Reasonable Doubt went from slept on album to undeniable classic
Vol 1 went from being seen only for its botched singles to being lauded for the quality of the rest
Vol 2 was a smash on impact, but Hov ranking it so high in this ranking had an effect. Around this time, it was a given that his top 3 were RD, BP, and TBA for most people. AG was usually the 4th. When Hov made this ranking emphasizing the importance of Vol 2 in his career, people started to follow suit and the album is thrown out closer to the top
There’s just something about Hov’s catalog, it’s kind of like The Beatles. Every piece feels like it matters. The art the titles and consistency in branding. And I really think the way that we all have a collective idea of these albums is more important than the quality itself. It’s something deeper that stands out. It’s one thing that Nas was clearly less successful with: projects like Street’s Disciple just don’t “feel important” somehow on a surface level way.
Get that man's p**** out your mouth, it's Jesus birthday
Get that man's p**** out your mouth, it's Jesus birthday
Interesting comment because some people could probably look at it as lowkey hate too. Cause I’m kind of implying that Jay hustled us all into putting his albums higher than we would naturally, and caring more about his less great projects than we would care about them for other artists.
I get why Vol 2 would mean a lot to him personally cause it was the album that launched him into mainstream and pop culture
It’s a good ranking
Part of what you’re noticing I think is how good Jay has been at self mythologizing and marketing his albums long term
From Reasonable Doubt on, these are not albums that just came out and got a certain reception
Years of narratives and revisiting and referencing past works, and reframing them in the context of Jay’s greater career story, including things like this ranking, have always made the public reexamine the albums in interesting ways
Reasonable Doubt went from slept on album to undeniable classic
Vol 1 went from being seen only for its botched singles to being lauded for the quality of the rest
Vol 2 was a smash on impact, but Hov ranking it so high in this ranking had an effect. Around this time, it was a given that his top 3 were RD, BP, and TBA for most people. AG was usually the 4th. When Hov made this ranking emphasizing the importance of Vol 2 in his career, people started to follow suit and the album is thrown out closer to the top
There’s just something about Hov’s catalog, it’s kind of like The Beatles. Every piece feels like it matters. The art the titles and consistency in branding. And I really think the way that we all have a collective idea of these albums is more important than the quality itself. It’s something deeper that stands out. It’s one thing that Nas was clearly less successful with: projects like Street’s Disciple just don’t “feel important” somehow on a surface level way.
The comparison to The Beatles is actually very good and I don't think I've ever seen somebody make that point. Majority of both discogs took place in a short amount of time too compared to other major artists like MJ Stevie or Pirnce who really span decades
Damn his top 3 are my top 3 too
All the ones after that can pretty much be in any order, although I do have good memories of BP3, 2 and Vol 2.
his top 3 is accurate
Man give me $500, 000. F*** Jay Z. Yeah man. Yeah nigga give me 500thousand.
This whole debate was crazy af lmaoo
I get why Vol 2 would mean a lot to him personally cause it was the album that launched him into mainstream and pop culture
For him it was probably the album were everything “clicked” for him
1. Blueprint
2. American gangster
3. Reasonable doubt
4. The black album
5. bp3
Havent heard the others
The comparison to The Beatles is actually very good and I don't think I've ever seen somebody make that point. Majority of both discogs took place in a short amount of time too compared to other major artists like MJ Stevie or Pirnce who really span decades
True though it feels more right to compare OutKast to The Beatles
That being said I’m sure naming The Black Album references The Beatles (even before that Danger Mouse mashup came out)