Caribbean music to dub, 60s, 70s
Dub to breakbeat, hardcore breakbeat, 80s
That to jungle, drum & bass, 80s, 90s
Those to garage, 90s, 00s
Garage to grime, 90s, 00s
There's a clear evolution from the 70s all the way to grime appearing in the late 90s early 00s. We posted a bunch of examples ITT.
Every single of these genres has MCs too. MCing didn't begin with hip-hop.
This doesn't disprove what I'm saying at all and I never denied any of this. You're just blatantly leaving off the influence that US hip hop has on grime. Which took off in the 70s, which gave grime plenty of time to take elements of that into itself
Yea im whitewashing it as black american culture
You are whitewashing a Caribbean cultural influence, yes
But it is tho google it hip hop got over 30 subgenres
Okay google said it so it must be true
This doesn't disprove what I'm saying at all and I never denied any of this. You're just blatantly leaving off the influence that US hip hop has on grime. Which took off in the 70s, which gave grime plenty of time to take elements of that into itself
Grime is far more influenced by the genres I have stated than anything the US has produced.
UK hip-hop was more popular than grime for many years, that is a different genre.
Google hip hop subgenres rn
If u google trap artists, travis scott shows up too lol
Imagine mfs that made west coast gangsta rap started saying “we not hip hop”
This doesn't disprove what I'm saying at all and I never denied any of this. You're just blatantly leaving off the influence that US hip hop has on grime. Which took off in the 70s, which gave grime plenty of time to take elements of that into itself
Hip hop influenced grime.
That doesnt mean it's a product or subgenre of hip hop
UK hip-hop is very much a sub-genre of hip-hop.
UK drill is also a sub-genre of hip-hop, although with some grime influences.
Grime itself is not a sub-genre of hip-hop and not the same as UK hip-hop or UK drill.
But you literally can’t talk about grime without talking about those genres because grime grew directly out of them
You’re ignoring 35 years of history for literally zero reason lol
Yes you literally can. You keep trying to make it seem like I'm saying they don't exist when I'm not. You niggas are going through hoop after hoop rn to admit the facts that I'm stating. it's crazy
UK hip-hop is very much a sub-genre of hip-hop.
UK drill is also a sub-genre of hip-hop, although with some grime influences.
Grime itself is not a sub-genre of hip-hop and not the same as UK hip-hop or UK drill.
UK drill with grime inspired beats>>>>
I guess it wouldnt exist in the same form without hiphop true
But that doest mean its just a subgenre like trap or drill is
It kinda does. It's a wide wide reaching genre. it's not a bad thing idk why yall act like it is.
Spot on. And instead of acknowledging that it sounds good they act like it's bad.. just cuz it didn't originate in the us
blackpink is a hip hop collective to yall with the logic you guys have
Red Hot Chili Peppers does hip-hop
I blocked that guy a long time ago for something unrelated, but tell him I said YES metal was inspired by the beatles. HERE IS THE CREATOR OF HEAVY METAL HIMSELF https://rockcelebrities.net/rob-halford-confirms-judas-priest-was-influenced-by-the-beatles-and-explains-it/
Nobody’s denying influence, it’s just not the primary influence
Do you consider metal to be a sub genre of beat music lol?
UK drill with grime inspired beats>>>>
I'm not even a huge grime fan but these fellas really are oversimplfying things
We had internet
Did you have access to London pirate radio broadcasts of garage groups MCing for hours straight every weekend night?
Grime is far more influenced by the genres I have stated than anything the US has produced.
UK hip-hop was more popular than grime for many years, that is a different genre.
Grime is far more influenced by the genres I have stated than anything the US has produced.
Sure you can say that (I don't agree but go for it) but it's still influenced by it heavily. (Not saying what you listed doesn't outweigh hip hop's influence)
UK hip-hop was more popular than grime for many years, that is a different genre.
But neither were nearly as popular as US Hip hop. And both those things you named are influenced by it. That's all I'm saying and you niggas are losing it