Thats saying "kanye is the best rap artist, not the best rapper" though. I dont think that downplays rap as an art form because its not categorizing kanye as something separate from rap, its just praising his production/curation skills over his rapping/writing abilities

Faxx, and I think especially moreso with Rap

Rap honestly was already popular with "everyone" from nearly the get-go and was having major crossovers as early as the early 80s with Run DMC x ACDC among others - just needed more opportunities to be available and accessible, n imo the multifaceted constant genre blending and genre twisting/mixing is part of what makes it the most interesting and successful genre to people overall that has only exploded more due to the internet era with no holds bars on it at all from people

Yeah I agree and get what u mean, also Kanye was dealing with a lot of foreigners at the time with fashion and business so it's a whole nother level of separation, disconnection and stereotypes

Just sucks all around it is/was a real palpable thing

I do think Rap itself could have done a bit better tho with the younger newer (at the time) rappers like uzi/yacthy etc. and bashing them for "not being Rap enough" which then made them rebel more by purposely pushing the buttons of oldheads with their sound even more and the "I'm not a rapper" statements - I wish that era in general was handled better in media even tho I'm personally not even a big fan like that of that era myself neither, but I do think it would have took a lot of that animosity and rebellion and reshuffling the genre attitude away if "we" were more accommodating or at least neutral to them

Only like Playboi Carti n Juice Wrld was accepted by the overall gated space lmao

hate that as black people we think the term rapper has so much weight that its self-hate to not want to associate with it or prefer being called an 'artist'. every negative connotation about rappers and rap music is true btw, last genre/medium i'd want success in as a black man.

Cooning

My opinion on this switched

I don't think someone saying that is bad unless they are caucasian

It’s because the term rapper has no base.

If someone called themselves a singer it’s mainly because of their vocal range , good tone.

But if anyone hops on a hip hop beat their a “rapper”

Nas is a rapper
Lupe Fiasco is a rapper
Lil pump.. yeah I wouldn’t put him in that category.

I think we have to make a difference between a rapper and a hip hop artist

Kanye is probably the GOAT. But his influence on rap has been catastrophic imo

-ended gangsta rap--"normal"/non street rappers can become the top rappers
-shift away from lyricism to production led rap
-ghostwriters or not writing your own raps has somehow become acceptable even for non producer-rappers
-every artist thinks they have the juice to do a big rollout for albums and change aesthetics every "era"
and more

You need to publicly disown your graphic designer

Supa hot fire

I mean, underground it’s been done way before, but Ye really labeled it as an art form in the mainstream medium.

Yea I was reading some old people’s reactions to rapper’s delight while working on this video. It had so much less stigma if anything it got looped in with disco bc of the beat but most people were just kinda intrigued by the catchy bars

I can’t throw my boy under the bus he’s a real one

If anything he prob did it bc he fw Bino

Come on man

Yea gambino was clamoring to be accepted as a rapper early in his career

Kanye definitely brought a different type of white audience with him. The group of people kanye brought with him especially post Grad are those who might have liked some of those rappers you named, but never embraced their output as full fledged music

He might the worst offender of it

Rap has been so stigmatized you have rappers ashamed to call themselves rappers because they feel like people wont take them seriously as an artist. And that's not necessarily a wrong perspective but ultimately it comes down to insecurity

In his own words, he is just a rapper

It's funny how he had the opposite happen to him where he was more accepted and successful being an "artist" instead of being a rapper

i knew about the comethazine rebrand but didnt know he was actually releasing music thats super cool

I don’t find most of what he’s saying here egregious at all, but it’s obvious his statements on this are a blind spot of mine

I'm not a music sxn poster, I'm a poster

I’m not a country singer, I’m an artist
I’m not a rockstar, I’m an artist
I’m not a songwriter, I’m an artist
I’m not a DJ, I’m an artist
I’m not a popstar, I’m an artist

I don’t hear this, someone let me know if there’s an equally prevalent pattern of relevant and semi relevant artists with these labels expressing this sentiment

They started with this off rip