huey p rxcan

5y

leftist in me don’t wanna support this movie but damn...... they figured us out by putting daniel and lakeith in this

Rosebud

5y

yeah the promo and trailers for this have looked amazing but idk, seeing all the reviews just giving this 4-5 stars because its "timely" or because it teaches us that racism is bad is just such lame criticism to me. Since when is a movie good simply because it tells us that lmao

I have seen little writing about how the movie actually presents these characters and whether there is any real depth to its story.

huey p rxcan

5y

yea the trailers look good but critic bait

youtube critics are better even when they’re s***ty losers tbh. at least they’ll attack a movie with some nuance. critics paid to do their job just will listen to whatever the editor tells them to say

Rosebud

5y

yeah the promo and trailers for this have looked amazing but idk, seeing all the reviews just giving this 4-5 stars because its "timely" or because it teaches us that racism is bad is just such lame criticism to me. Since when is a movie good simply because it tells us that lmao

I have seen little writing about how the movie actually presents these characters and whether there is any real depth to its story.

huey p rxcan

5y

leftist in me don’t wanna support this movie but damn...... they figured us out by putting daniel and lakeith in this

FlyMx

5y

Well that’s cause ultimately it’s your job to watch it and decide that for yourself lmao critiquing the criticism for a film you haven’t seen yet seems like a fruitless pursuit

Everest

5y

Not peeped any trailers and don’t know much about the movie, what about it wouldnt leftists like? I seen some other people on twitter saying this looks bad for similar reasons today

huey p rxcan

5y

lowkey too tired to explain in depth as i normally would but industry commodifying the image of black radicals is

ik that sounds like a whole lotta nothing to the average person, but basically it leaves a lot of room for misinterpretation.

also making black radical leaders into icons and martyrs isn’t a good thing. fred hampton, i’m sure would be willing to die for his people. but he didn’t want to die at the hands of the fbi. nor was he a “messiah” he was just a man who spoke to his people. it’s important not to let history make these people bigger than “people”.

humanizing the informant is real, but it gives the writers a lot of room to add fluff and play it off as a necessary evil. make it seem like a required step in history that allowed us to do the things we can do today.

i’m not really saying exactly what i want bc i’m on the phone, it’s late, and i have a headache, so i hope another user can pick up ur question. i’m also doing a LOT of assuming for a movie i never watched. but there’s no reason to believe a movie funded by hollywood will do any good service to fred hamptons incredible legacy.

just my thoughts

huey p rxcan

5y

lowkey too tired to explain in depth as i normally would but industry commodifying the image of black radicals is

ik that sounds like a whole lotta nothing to the average person, but basically it leaves a lot of room for misinterpretation.

also making black radical leaders into icons and martyrs isn’t a good thing. fred hampton, i’m sure would be willing to die for his people. but he didn’t want to die at the hands of the fbi. nor was he a “messiah” he was just a man who spoke to his people. it’s important not to let history make these people bigger than “people”.

humanizing the informant is real, but it gives the writers a lot of room to add fluff and play it off as a necessary evil. make it seem like a required step in history that allowed us to do the things we can do today.

i’m not really saying exactly what i want bc i’m on the phone, it’s late, and i have a headache, so i hope another user can pick up ur question. i’m also doing a LOT of assuming for a movie i never watched. but there’s no reason to believe a movie funded by hollywood will do any good service to fred hamptons incredible legacy.

just my thoughts

Rosebud

5y

There is a 1971 documentary called “The Murder of Fred Hampton” which I’ve heard fantastic things about as well

I may watch that first tbh

Rosebud

5y

There is a 1971 documentary called “The Murder of Fred Hampton” which I’ve heard fantastic things about as well

I may watch that first tbh

Rosebud

5y

I'm pretty sure this story is about the snitch. Hampton is def only a supporting character here

YoungNastyShawty

5y

Lmaooooooo man I would hope this isn’t true wtf

Lou

5y

it likely is, the title is ‘Judas...’

YoungNastyShawty

5y

I get that but I just assumed the movie would be encompassing everything including the snitch, not focusing on the snitch.

Rosebud

5y

so obv I ain't seen the movie, but it seems this movie is going to be moreso about COINTELPRO rather than a story about Fred Hampton

HOWEVER

while many reviews have virtually ignored the subject of Hampton's marcist/socialist beliefs and how they are presented in this film, oddly enough IGN's writer wrote about it and said this:

"Phrases like “Marxist” don’t cross Hampton’s lips as they did in real life (although “socialism” does, and Hoover expresses fears of communism before mentioning Hampton), but Hampton’s speeches and instructions still lean explicitly anti-capitalist. One might easily note the inherent contradiction of a film about a Black communist revolutionary being funded by capitalist enterprise — it’s a valid critique — but the reality of politics vis-à-vis studio funding is the suits don’t often care what’s on-screen so long as it makes them money. It’s a depressing reminder of the degree to which “money speaks,” but on the other hand, it also leads to directors like King (and his co-writer Will Berson) being able to make Hampton’s politics a recognizable part of the film’s historical fabric, with minimal tiptoeing or watering down."

https://www.ign.com/articles/judas-and-the-black-messiah-review

Jayson Tatum

5y

do I watch on HBO max this weekend or go see in the theaters on Tuesday

Rosebud

5y

so obv I ain't seen the movie, but it seems this movie is going to be moreso about COINTELPRO rather than a story about Fred Hampton

HOWEVER

while many reviews have virtually ignored the subject of Hampton's marcist/socialist beliefs and how they are presented in this film, oddly enough IGN's writer wrote about it and said this:

"Phrases like “Marxist” don’t cross Hampton’s lips as they did in real life (although “socialism” does, and Hoover expresses fears of communism before mentioning Hampton), but Hampton’s speeches and instructions still lean explicitly anti-capitalist. One might easily note the inherent contradiction of a film about a Black communist revolutionary being funded by capitalist enterprise — it’s a valid critique — but the reality of politics vis-à-vis studio funding is the suits don’t often care what’s on-screen so long as it makes them money. It’s a depressing reminder of the degree to which “money speaks,” but on the other hand, it also leads to directors like King (and his co-writer Will Berson) being able to make Hampton’s politics a recognizable part of the film’s historical fabric, with minimal tiptoeing or watering down."

https://www.ign.com/articles/judas-and-the-black-messiah-review