ya
in the same way in the exorcist the thing thats scary is the creepy posessed girl
i dont mean literal monster--more this concept youtube.com/watch?v=tJ-xJYAbZCM

theres a few reasons
1\. her husband and her friends husband, both of whom are concerned with society and societal expectations, are deeply horrified by her episodes, especially the sexual nature of them. theyre so horrified, they don't even want to acknowledge it--they repress it literally by tying her up or trying to get her to not talk about it. unlike previous nosferatu/dracula films where people are mostly scared of nosferatu and then concerned for her, people appear more truly terrified of the spells/her in this one
2\. her episodes themselves are a bigger focus in this film than the other dracula/nosferatu film. they become more and more dramatic and freakish as the film goes on, at some point shes having full body exorcist moments, which is definitely meant to be horrifying and monstrous. theres also a few jump scares with her suddenly appearing next to the friend (as herzog's orlok does with his mc) or where suddenly during the sexual advance on the husband theres the blood dripping down her face moment... i think there's a reason the promo stuff all focuses primarily on her freak s\*\*\* and not even the vampire really, shes the horrifying thing. furthermore, theres a point at which shes done just waiting for other people to do anything. shes at her most fearsome when she assumes control... she first talks back to the friends husband which sort of frightens him due to her breaking societal norms, then actively seduces her husband demonically while telling him what a fool he is and whatnot, emasculating him, which is where we get into the whole bloody eyes and exorcism stuff at its peak. she then takes control of nosferatu himself sexually, thus killing him.
3\. shes the one who summoned nosferatu, it was her sexual desires that brought him to the world. she states to someone (dafoe's character?) that people have a reason to be scared of her--shes the one that brought the plague upon them by summoning nosferatu--in response to the friends husbands fear of her. dafoes chara also states she was born in the occult, that shes prone to these demonic forces, that she would have been a priestess of isis... i think all things meant to reinforce the idea that there's dark force beyond humanity, capable of summoning such evil beings, she posesses.
4\. its similar to i think herzog's nosferatu where his sexual predatory nature is what's fearsome and creepy, in this one its her sexual nature (shown through the exorcist style spells) thats creepy.
ultimately, her sexuality not only births the monster, but her acceptance of her sexual control also kills the monster.

Damn, you smoked that a***ysis

I’ve been realizing I hardly ever truly grasp most plots on a detailed a***ytical level, I’m often more feeling and vibe based. Both approaches offer different things, but this was a film I definitely wanted to dive more into. Love this read.

honestllyyyy i want to give this one a second watch theres such cool imagery that i feel is like a metaphor for something or another or whatever that i probably didnt notice

i think bc this film is like.... meant to almost be a response to other nosferatu/drac films that have a lot of german expressionist imagery and general image metaphors film a***ysis types love..

like cats are a trope (present in 1922, herzog, and this one), i think its meant to be a reflection of control over beastliness within all of them and the specific interaction with cats differs slightly amonst the 3 to i guess mean something slightly diff
or crosses on the beach is also a symbolism thing in the 1922 one thats there in this and herzogs
or theres that scene where the husband is almost at the castle and walks onto a road that looks like a cross

idk i think its also bc this is a film within a suite of films all descended from a book... theres a lot of different meanings and imageries and metaphors and whatnots that float around... theres been a ton of literary a***ysis done on the book alone

Holy f***

All timer for me

i dont really feel that all the way
i think there is something to the idea of sexual dominance and that being at play

i will say that the idea of gaze--to watch is to be in a position of power, to be watched you are more vulnerable--is a theme across a lot of films like the rear window, most prominently
in herzogs nosferatu, the nosferatu is like a creepy rape-y stalker that possesses and controls his victims with his gaze, devouring them and hypnotizing them

in this one too you get hints of that
like when the husband cuts his hand and you get the close shot of count orloks eyes and theyre staring down at him so intently as if to consume or to hunt. the husband is literally orloks prey. in the scene where ellen and the husband have sex, she's staring daggers into him, emphasizing how she's in power, the jump scare in that scene where she suddenly appears with blood dripping down her face, she's staring right at the viewer. iirc in the final scene where they die, shes looking down at orlok, though i might have misremembered that tbh... at the very least her eyes are open and the husband closes them. overall though idk if she desires masculinity per se but is subverting sexual roles and societal repression. i feel some wld defs argue that subverting these roles is in fact occupying masculinity but i dont really feel that vibe

One thing I really liked about the movie was some of the lines Eggers wrote (tbh I’m not sure if these are exclusive to his script or if they exist in earlier versions of the story). The opening conversation between Orlok and Ellen - when he tells her she doesn’t belong to humanity - stood out, as did Ellen’s speech on the beach about feeling dispossessed of agency. Another memorable moment was Orlok’s journey at sea, where he calls upon nature to stir the winds. These lines feel really poetic and otherworldly.

i wanna see it again

Fascinating and nuanced
Perhaps my initial take was a product of my own bias and projections
Much to ponder

Most impressive Eggers endeavor for me because the subject matter is woven so deep into our oral/written/visual lexicon… he’s not pulling or interpreting from less familiar worlds like his other stuff he has to make something almost everyone is familiar with work which he does so well in this film

Also how nuts were the trio of Dafoe/Depp/Hoult in this

i liked the tache on orlock

vlad the impaler type s***

His design i like the idea not the execution

As soon as they fix my payday issue I am seeing this again

I never felt bad about the design itself. I do have some quibbles with the acting

s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25476199/nosferatu-read-the-screenplay.pdf

Screenplay is out if any of my fellow writers wanna read…. @Jonboi 👀

I love the way Eggers formats his screenplays

Should've been written in Orlok calligraphy

Bout to go see this in Dolby cinema in the next hour & half should I roll one up for dis or watch it sober. Not into horror films but the trailer from this intrigued me

smoke fs

i was baked and completely locked into this

Get high

watching tomorrow

how h**** is this?

It’s super h****

Very h****