this dude just said shanks is stronger than prime roger and akainu stronger than prime garp
the first one i dont believe but is possible
the second is ridiculous. garp soloed prime rocks. dude was one of the strongest of all time up with roger, whitebeard, shanks. akainu is a monster but im not feeling that one
I just wrote a whole novel about what I think is gonna happen, decided to just do bullets instead
What I think:
-jaygarcia has a power that will match or supercede luffys G5 strength. He will be a important character for the plot progression of this arc
-I don't think luffy is fighting blackbeard at egghead. I think events will happen that will continue to set the stage for their inevitable fight and there will be some skirmishes between bb's commanders (I think kuzan and other bb commanders are at egghead, I don't think bb himself is there now) and the straw hats. But I don't think the arc ends with the epic finale between blackbeard and luffy.
-kizaru will be dead by the end of the arc. I still think bb will finish him off
-Law is being held hostage by bb. I don't think he str8 up joins the bb pirates but maybe they force him to fight for them at some point
-Kidd is alive but I think he will have a long self discovery/growth arc. He won't be relevant rly for the rest of egghead
-im thinking it's possible bb takes out garp but I think more likely bb arrives at egghead at the climax of fighting as the strawhats get lowkey bodied by the marines, because itd be lame if the straw hats low diff kizaru and garcia. Bb pirates and straw hats might briefly skirmish, then bb kills kizaru with the help of his commanders and does his business at egghead after the strawhats narrowly escape. Its also possible the straw hats and bb pirates team up to take out the marines. Garp arrives finally at egghead and scares off blackbeard. I don't think we see bb killing garp rn (I think garp is still strong as s***, stronger and more important to the story than kizaru. I'm thinking the antagonist who dies this arc is either or both kizaru and jaygarcia. I think it's very likely jaygarcia dies because I think we need some event to set up the rest of the gorosei being dealt with in a reasonable time window). Maybe bb pirates surprise and take out marines who are busy with straw hats, then go for straw hat but the straw hats escape.
-before kizaru is taken down, he will show off some insane power. Maybe awakened logia (this is my guess). This will outclass G5 luffy and the rest of the straw hats
The fact that he hasn’t been utilized for this long and we’re in the final saga just means his story impact gonna be CRAZY (hopium)
I think most ppl think urogue is a bb commander now. I also believe this, although it's possible urogue is dead. But I think we will see urogue at egghead. It seems oda has made it a point to give all of the worst generation an important role as things conclude
Yea this chapter just shows that big mom was nerfed big time by oda so those 2 average pirates could take her down. Big mom deserved so much better
I don't think it's smart atp to do matchups only thinking about overall strength. We have to remember it's like pokemon, a weak fire type will still body a strong grass type. The combination of laws speed and accuracy and kids sheer durability and power was too much for big mom, who is very slow and depends on sheer durability and explosive power, also her devil fruit. Law and Kidd are still individually probably much weaker than Big Mom. Even if big mom uses acoc and knocks kidd or law, it's just delaying the inevitable. They're still winning the fight. Those details don't rly matter, she's losing either way.
I think sanji vs queen was far more disappointing and aggravating than the big mom fight. I mean queen was in MADS, and he is a major antagonist. As kaidos second strongest he should give most OP characters a decent fight. Sanji low diffed that nigga.
Also x drake getting taken out like that at wano was aggravating to me. Imo x drake is a lot more interesting than kidd. I hope he returns at some point.
Who's who getting low diffed by jinbei was also disappointing. Wouldve liked to see brook get some progression also. I'll never forget when he tried to do big mom dirty with that spinning stab attack in whole cake arc
And they still got mopped by her. If Oda didn’t have her turn her back for one then not even use ACoC coating as well... they don’t make it out of Wano.
I'm pretty sure both would survive a acoc attack from big mom. Zoro tanked a acoc attack from both kaido and big mom
Ur right that she didn't take them seriously and her hubris led to her defeat. With both of them awakened tho I don't see a scenario where they lose
That's not the point tho but whatever
I just thought we're used to better conclusions and storytelling that makes more sense by oda normally imo
We have to remember that a lot of times what happens in real life is counter intuitive and unexpected. In one piece it's the same thing, things don't go down in a predictable fashion, I think oda explained every event pretty well even if not directly.
I don't think kaido or big mom were nerfed, I think the whole point was for us to see the power scaling. Awakened kidd and law are very powerful and g5 luffy is just broken. Even still, it's more demons out there like shanks etc. This is all to show that we still have more prog4ession. Imo it'd be lame of kaido and big mom were actually the strongest in the OP universe. It's like Naruto when Naruto got sage mode and beat pain. If that's the end than cool but no it's more to the story.
Also, I'd say the thing about BM that was stupid if anything was her taking out page 1 and ulti, that pissed me off so much lol. Like she erased them. An prospero was also kinda useless altho ig it was necessary for carrots progression.
I'm pretty sure both would survive a acoc attack from big mom. Zoro tanked a acoc attack from both kaido and big mom
Ur right that she didn't take them seriously and her hubris led to her defeat. With both of them awakened tho I don't see a scenario where they lose
They literally did already lose though during the fight. Then instead of finishing them off, BM turned her back on them and let Law get his awakened attack in and that’s when they started to at least make it a fight.
They literally did already lose though during the fight. Then instead of finishing them off, BM turned her back on them and let Law get his awakened attack in and that’s when they started to at least make it a fight.
Yea before using the awakened abilities, if they use those abilities from the jump tbh maybe big mom takes them more srsly and finishes them off quickly but it's still highly possible they would still win just because law hits first with injection shot shock Willie an at that point they just spam their awakened strong attacks as they did in the actual manga
It's kinda like what happened with luffy, he isn't beating kaido without G5. It's like saying luffy would lose to kaido because he lost before he awakened G5, entirely different game
Tldr: using awakened df law/kidd win, without them no chance
Yea before using the awakened abilities, if they use those abilities from the jump tbh maybe big mom takes them more srsly and finishes them off quickly but it's still highly possible they would still win just because law hits first with injection shot shock Willie an at that point they just spam their awakened strong attacks as they did in the actual manga
It's kinda like what happened with luffy, he isn't beating kaido without G5. It's like saying luffy would lose to kaido because he lost before he awakened G5, entirely different game
Tldr: using awakened df law/kidd win, without them no chance
They used their awakening before they got beat thought wym?
I think most ppl think urogue is a bb commander now. I also believe this, although it's possible urogue is dead. But I think we will see urogue at egghead. It seems oda has made it a point to give all of the worst generation an important role as things conclude
Really? The first I heard of this was in this thread yesterday
I’m bad at keeping track of blackbeards subordinates though I thought Kuzan was the 10th and final
Urouge being dead would be… a choice
They used their awakening before they got beat thought wym?
damn jus re-read it u completely right. she still overpowered them after they used their awakenings and they only were able to hit her cus she turned her back. u could maybe argue that they had another round in them and if they come back they still might win (like luffy did) but yea she could have just killed them while they were down. Ig in a straight up 2v1 big mom still stronger.
tbh this kinda works against the argument that big mom was done dirty imo. It shows she is emperor strength. i think they decided to have her get finished off just because it was the right time plot-wise. could have maybe been written to be more satifsying ill admit. maybe some will feel like she only lost because she was caught off guard and was essentially being too cocky
also kinda counters what ppl saying about kidd, how as an emperor slayer he deserved a chance against shanks. even with laws help he not beating big mom in normal circumstances. but u could even argue the same about luffy with G5, if kaido hadnt fought like 30 people first he might have won
Really? The first I heard of this was in this thread yesterday
I’m bad at keeping track of blackbeards subordinates though I thought Kuzan was the 10th and final
Urouge being dead would be… a choice
it could be kuzan or it could be someone else. a lot of people speculate urogue. tbh not much to go off of
it could be kuzan or it could be someone else. a lot of people speculate urogue. tbh not much to go off of
Interestingggg well I guess we’ll have to wait and see since it’s still technically unrevealed. I feel as though kuzan makes sense just because he’s so strong but also him being yet another marine undercover is so on the nose maybe even in universe Blackbeard doesn’t find him trustworthy
Interestingggg well I guess we’ll have to wait and see since it’s still technically unrevealed. I feel as though kuzan makes sense just because he’s so strong but also him being yet another marine undercover is so on the nose maybe even in universe Blackbeard doesn’t find him trustworthy
Yea I think ur right, kuzan does make a bit more sense tbh. I personally don't think he's undercover. But I do think he's not evil ya know, he will probably save the straw hats at some point soon. Thinking he will probably take out someone very strong
started my read through and i'm about half way through syrup village. usopp's initial appearance came across so much better in the manga than the anime. i didn't dislike him in the anime version, but i was kinda indifferent to him. i listen to/watch a lot of people's arc reviews and something i noticed is that a lot of people love usopp right off the bat, which was always surprising to me, but i can see why now.
Law and Kidd didn’t really even beat Big Mom imo
They tricked her
But I don’t think we’ve seen the last of those 2 knowing Oda
Kidd should 100% be dead but Oda a p****