Bri10

7y

And by your own admission, wasn't it social policies in the form of welfare that got you where you are? Not capitalist policy, weren't both high school and university you went to public entities collectively funded by the citizenry? Sure if you'd went through only private education, then eventually were the head of your own company you'd have a point, but instead you're bragging about the success of social policies

Bri10

7y

Experiencing both doesn't make you informed at all, I've experienced the the flu but that doesn't make me informed on its inner workings and why it produces the symptoms it does. You've shown time and again you're ill-informed about both systems, so what relevance are your experiences if all you're doing is spouting layman gibberish.

loner

7y

No, I went to a private school and I had a uni debt that I had to repay to the government.

We’ve already been through this - capitalist countries can have a welfare system. In fact that’s what most reasonable people support - a capitalist system with some welfare policies to provide a safety net for the poor. It’s not the same as advocating for full-on socialism.

You’re literally just regurgitating things I’ve already explained on KTT legacy, of which you blocked me for because you had no rebuttal. Are your reading comprehension skills really that bad

loner

7y

So you’re telling me a person who lived in a socialist society for a third of their life is no more informed about socialism than a Westerner who’s only read books and watched films about it? I didn’t think it was possible for someone to be this ignorant lmao

loner

7y

Yeah and I’m entitled to because I’ve personally experienced both socialism and capitalism, therefore my opinion is informed. Whereas most people on KTT who glorify socialism have never personally experienced it themselves.

loner

7y

A socialist is someone who has read Lenin and Marx. An anti-socialist is someone who understands Lenin and Marx.

Versetti

7y

He has the nerve to say "you have no rebuttal"

Going in circles headass

Bri10

7y

Welfare isn't capitalist policy, and is only in place to protect people from the reality capitalism. I've explained how welfare is a social policy several times. all you said was welfare exists in capitalist societies without actually acknowledging the machinations of the welfare system, which typify socialism more than they do capitalism.

loner

7y

Lmao we’ve already been through this so many times. Welfare (government support to the unemployed, poor, etc) is a capitalist policy. It was designed specifically to provide a safety net for unemployed/low-income living under capitalism.

A welfare system theoretically doesn’t even exist under socialism because by design there is meant to be no unemployed people under socialism.

You repeating your ignorance over and over again doesn’t make you any less wrong lmao

100000

7y

Rename to virgin thread

Bri10

7y

Are you still trying to push the idea that socialism = everybody gets a job. And even within your erroneous framing, it doesn't make sense, people with jobs still need welfare.

And you haven't explained how welfare is specifically capitalist, simply that it exists in capitalist societies, I could declare poverty is a capitalist policy, and I'd actually be more correct

Versetti

7y

workers and their employers, along with self-employed individuals, to pay into the system throughout their working years. The government controls the money they contribute, and decides when and how much they get back.

sounds pretty socialist to me

"Historian of the 20th Century fascist movement, Robert Paxton, observes that the provisions of the welfare state were enacted in the 19th Century by religious conservatives to counteract appeals from trade unions and socialism."

so it seems the whole thing came to be because of pressure from socialists.

almondmilk

7y

socialism never worked guys /thread

loner

7y

I literally explained it in my post: “It was designed specifically to provide a safety net for unemployed/low-income living under capitalism.”

Welfare was designed specifically as a mechanism to ensure the well-being of the poor in a capitalist society.

loner

7y

Lmao you think that government regulation implies socialism? Tells me all I need to know about your ignorance.

Bri10

7y

What you're explaining isn't how welfare is capitalist, rather why it exists within capitalism, welfare isn't market driven out private enterprise, it's not a capitalist policy. Your own discourse around regarding the less privileged tells all you need to know about what capitalists think of the poor.
If you genuinely were within the 0.5% top scholars in your country, I'm concerned about the education system

loner

7y

You seem to have this irrational misconception that showing concern to the poor = socialism. A capitalist country can have private ownership, market economy, etc and at the same time still have public goods, taxes, welfare etc via government interference to provide for the poor. That’s what most capitalist economies (the US, Australia, France, Germany, etc) have today. Capitalists governments can show concern to the poor too, the only difference is they’re less generous in comparison to socialist governments. But implementing policies to look after the welfare of the poor doesn’t make those countries socialists lmao.

loner

7y

You seem to have this irrational misconception that showing concern to the poor = socialism. A capitalist country can have private ownership, market economy, etc and at the same time still have public goods, taxes, welfare etc via government interference to provide for the poor. That’s what most capitalist economies (the US, Australia, France, Germany, etc) have today. Capitalists governments can show concern to the poor too, the only difference is they’re less generous in comparison to socialist governments. But implementing policies to look after the welfare of the poor doesn’t make those countries socialists lmao.