Poolboy Q

8mo

I mean, maybe they aren’t the saviors of rock you’re looking for. They clearly just like emo s***. And maybe they aren’t talented enough to cook some real non-surface level s*** up.

I’m so confused by what’s even being discussed.

You’re mad that black emo rock exists and funk isn’t relevant as much?

dove

8mo

great write up @op

i feel like a majority of the pop & rap adjacent artists that make rock influenced music still create the music how they would a rap song, and that’s how we get this ultra clean / quantized sound that sounds very radio and commercialized. midi beats, guitar riffs playing out on a mpk25, etc. i blame mgk and to an extent lil peep

we went thru pro tools-rock in the 2000s, now we are getting stock FL studio-rock

Poolboy Q

8mo

Couldn’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to post Seafoam Walls on this site. Not that they’re completely funky or anything just got their own unique sound

Bobby_96

8mo

@localblaccmane

Quiet as kept, Big Boi of Outkast was great at mixing Indie Rock with hip hop.

insertcoolnamehere

8mo

But you are free to like what you like and make what you make. But it is gonna feel awkward that all these white artists can vulture into our bag for influences and then the black artists of the future dig into…the white artists for influence?

Blind leading the blind lol.

JeffersonSteelflex

8mo

Controversial take, niggas need to be more open minded when it comes to enjoying mursick. Anytime there’s an artist that doesn’t make trap or street raps, this site calls all of their fans white or say they make mysterious music.

Like if you put on Bad Brains around a majority of niggas, they gonna be looking at you funny. If I put Yeat on, niggas gonna knock to it.

But if i’m wrong please let me know cause this is a dialogue i’ve been wanting to have.

babylon sherm

8mo

That tweet is so asinine, how can somebody be legit mad that a 20-something singer on TDE isn’t channeling Lavern Baker? Of all people

You were born in 2002? Too bad, you have a legitimate artistic duty to sound like this

huey p rxcan

8mo

@op
https://untitled.stream/library/project/EdCQoubTHt735ySI3QR0Q

listen to this

2ILL

8mo

Been saying this for awhile now

Love rock music, I hate when niggas get revered for making generic rock music. A lot of the praise comes from folks viewing Black people through a stereotypical lens

huey p rxcan

8mo

there’s validity in the argument it’s just poorly worded and tried to completely discredit a sound and branch of rock music for no other reason outside it being “commercial”

at the end of the day all rock music (as we understand it to be) has been touched impacted and influenced by black ppl, so it becomes a bit reductive when you’re a stickler like the authors of the tweets in op

insertcoolnamehere

8mo

But this goes back to @Water_Giver thread. You can hear the multiple genre influences in these black bands lol.

You can tell the popular bands just listened to “rock” and dassit.

huey p rxcan

8mo

@op
https://untitled.stream/library/project/EdCQoubTHt735ySI3QR0Q

listen to this

Bobby_96

8mo

@localblaccmane

Quiet as kept, Big Boi of Outkast was great at mixing Indie Rock with hip hop.

huey p rxcan

8mo

there’s validity in the argument it’s just poorly worded and tried to completely discredit a sound and branch of rock music for no other reason outside it being “commercial”

at the end of the day all rock music (as we understand it to be) has been touched impacted and influenced by black ppl, so it becomes a bit reductive when you’re a stickler like the authors of the tweets in op

Smacked Voodoo

8mo

Lately, there's been discussion on Twitter (Don't give a f*** about you crying about Twitter topics. As if y'all be talking about anything else worth note on here) about Black artists making rock music. Specifically, Alemeda, one of TDE's most recent signees.

If you're unfamiliar, here's a small sampler.

Not bad stuff. Ya know your run of the mill pop-punk affair in the vein of your Paramores, Fall Out Boys, Blink 182s, etc. This isn't necessarily a thread to hate on her, or other Black artists who have made similar pop-punk influenced rock music like Foushee, Paris Texas, Teezo Touchdown, XXXTentacion (Except them cause they're f***in garbage), Juice Wrld or whatever other artist in that lane that fuse hip-hop and pop-punk. There's many of them who been popping up since the late 2010s-2020s.

But it brings me to the main point of this discussion...why is it that these Black artists always seem to rush to make, admittedly, pretty generic "white people rock", but you hardly ever hear any influence of the great Black artists and bands who've made punk, metal, smooth rock, funk-rock, etc? And why do they get so defensive when they're called out on it?

Now I'm not here to say that Paramore and all them other bands are bad. It's just so bizarre how with...that crowd of Black folk, they tend to act like they're the only rock music that exists. And they end up making such lazy cheap copies of the white pop-punk bands' music. It's like they're terrified to actually dabble and tap into the Black side of the genre. Which is a shame because there's a very rich history of it that deserves more recognition. Black people been making grunge, punk, metal, etc.

And what gets me, is that generic Paramore-lite pop-punk music that Black artists are creating ends up being the "face of modern day Black rock music". And it's a shame because bands like Soul Glo, Zulu, Playytime, Thirdface (Led by Black woman) don't ever get the same looks (Zulu for a good reason these days because unfortunately one of the band members is an abuser).

Whatever the case, I'm not tryna tell you what Black rock music to listen to, or that the Alemeda and the others mentioned are wrong for making their pop-punk music. Ya make the music that you're familiar with. Most I'll say, is it really that hard to start getting more familiar with the Black artists of the genre?

Corporate Mór

8mo

Meanwhile ile these guys try to sound like Sly, Temptations, Curtis

I have another theory

Smacked Voodoo

8mo

I guess where my stance on it is, if you show an interest in rock music. Pop-punk, screamo, etc whatever kinda subgenre. There's never been a point in your childhoods/teens where your curiosity took you to looking for Black people making that kinda music? Or if there ever was?

Like I remember doing that when I was 14 and it's how I discovered bands like Death, 24-7 Spyz, Fishbone, and Defunkt at that young age. There's truly a lot of great Black rock bands, who lean more into punk, you can find just by digging more into the funk-rock/psychedelic rock subgenres. A lot of punk music had it's roots in funk-rock because of how hard these Black people were playing and the grooves they incorporated into rock. It's how we ended up getting Red Hot Chili Peppers. Infact, it's how we ended up getting bands like Paramore, Fall Out Boy, Good Charlotte because they took influence from Black music.

So ultimately it's like, if white people were able to do it....why can't these niggas do it?

Smacked Voodoo

8mo

I guess where my stance on it is, if you show an interest in rock music. Pop-punk, screamo, etc whatever kinda subgenre. There's never been a point in your childhoods/teens where your curiosity took you to looking for Black people making that kinda music? Or if there ever was?

Like I remember doing that when I was 14 and it's how I discovered bands like Death, 24-7 Spyz, Fishbone, and Defunkt at that young age. There's truly a lot of great Black rock bands, who lean more into punk, you can find just by digging more into the funk-rock/psychedelic rock subgenres. A lot of punk music had it's roots in funk-rock because of how hard these Black people were playing and the grooves they incorporated into rock. It's how we ended up getting Red Hot Chili Peppers. Infact, it's how we ended up getting bands like Paramore, Fall Out Boy, Good Charlotte because they took influence from Black music.

So ultimately it's like, if white people were able to do it....why can't these niggas do it?

huey p rxcan

8mo

@op
https://untitled.stream/library/project/EdCQoubTHt735ySI3QR0Q

listen to this