Makaveli842

6y

also, why the f*** can abby fist fight infected? every single punch goes for the mouth, b**** wouldve been infected day one

Kr0niic

6y

Also, why the f*** can Joel fist fight infected? Every single punch goes for the mouth, man would’ve been infected day one

Catalyst

6y

These are some of the most ridiculous takes I've read lmao.

People change, that's the point. Tommy was not going to be the person we got used to, change is embraced throughout the game. Despite what we think of him, he still wanted vengeance.

Aside the legitimate criticism of that Tommy scene (shot in the head but not dead after) which I was a bit baffled about to, the rest is really not bad writing at all, they wanted to show the complex nature of Ellie's character development and sides to her, she couldn't let go and she was incredibly conflicted and that with guilt, the image of her perfect life still wasn't perfect and we did not really need to know where it was because since Tommy showed up it was clear it's not that far from their settlement.

Similarly, Abby was herself incredibly conflicted and confused, from various angles. She had guilt, she wanted to do right by someone for once, and since Lev was in the picture, she could not afford to let him down too, since she'd already done a lot of damage, I get the part where they found Ellie in the theatre and we do not know why Lev never asked of where they are headed and why so, but Abby is a character that lacks any ability to listen or change her mind anyway. Your complaints of the game dragging are actually justified, we kept going back n forth in circles and boom, all of a sudden we're at the beach once again finishing it all, but these imo, are not that big issues.

The game does not want to be linear, it is a character study of both Ellie and Abby, and shows what confusion, guilt, lack of empathy, trust and love for someone can do, I don't think it sets out to achieve anything it can't, just gets lost a bit in delivering it with a complete focus.

MrIndigo96

6y

Well to start it off there was really nothing abrupt about the fight. Ellie is no match for Abby physically in hand to hand combat which is why it was so quick. Ellie had to rely on her wits, her quickness and the environment. Only thing that had me wondering is how they were able to get back to Jackson with Ellie hurt, Dinah almost dead and Tommy out of commission but it's a game so I won't put too much thought into that.
You have to also put it into context that Tommy returning home didn't mean things would just go back to normality. He lost his brother, in his quest for revenge lost half his sight and now has a limp. He's physically half a man now. To compound that Maria and him are going through relationship problems so he cant even resume his happy relationship. this makes him believe that if he can somehow successfully kill Abby he can at least have some sort of pride for himself. Even though he knows in the state he's in thats not even possible which is why he bestows that responsibility on to Ellie.
Finally the confrontation, I talked about this in my other thread which you can check out. I believe it's my response to the criticism of TLOU2. The ending to me not only shows you the cycle of violence ending but was necessary because it was in a way a spiritual sequel to the ending of the first game. Both endings
are inverses of each other
Joel does something selfish and in return ends up with the person he loves.
Ellie does something selfless for someone to be with the person they love only to result in her being alone.

Wiggler

6y

Your take on Tommy's characterisation makes sense. I think my biggest issue was the fact that they show all of this while showing nothing to convince me that Ellie's farm and everything surrounding the epilogue is realistic and believable. I think it's also compounded by the fact that I thought I had just watched Tommy die.

I don't take issue with the ideas they were trying to convey, and to the game's credit they do that effectively. I also like your a***ysis on why the ending is special and I agree to an extent.

I'm not too mad about where the story went, I just feel like by a certain point the game stopped feeling believable.

FlyMx

6y

In the end, Both Ellie and Abby were tasked with freeing each other from the burden of revenge. Absolutely brilliant, brutal, and beautiful story and I have no clue how these neck cheese dweebs online can say otherwise. Niggas can’t even tolerate post over a paragraph without the “tl:dr” run around but wanna talk to me about writing lmfao hahahaha f***ing insane

ThuggerBaby

6y

Yeah, I genuinely hope ND doesn’t give a single s*** about these fans crying and just tells the story they feel is best. The ending of this game made everything come together in a way that made me feel just like how I did with the first game.

Druckmann said in a recent interview though that it was extremely hard to figure out how to do a sequel to this game that honored the first and now that there have been all these new characters and worldbuilding and factions, it will make it even harder now to think of another good idea. So he says right now he has no idea on how to do a sequel. But seems like they want to do one.

ragedsycokiller

6y

They should cap it at 2. Literally closed off moral pieces for the two characters. What's there to tell about except adding a new antagonist for the sake of evil? I know they wouldn't do a gears 3 route of humanity coming together to defeat the clickers

DS2

6y

They use echolocation, so if you’re in front of them when they scream it’s gg

Gloseph

6y

If a part 3 comes out i hope they don't do a rise of skywalker and try to appeal to whiny neckbeards. Obviously try to improve on some legit criticisms but still try some risky stuff

Electric

6y

They went through all that s*** going to the hospital only for her to die the next day

Electric

6y

They went through all that s*** going to the hospital only for her to die the next day

FlyMx

6y

Wait dude who played lev is actually trans?!?!?

Gloseph

6y

Ngl abbys half >>> Ellies half at least in terms of gameplay. Hit the meanest when she pulled out a flamethrower and found out she had flaming shotgun bullets

Osama bin Harden

6y

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Aight, so how do you actually explain Joel giving out his name so recklessly before they clapped him? I’m willing to be swayed here but can’t really find a reasonable explanation for it.