He being dishonest about how little Drake’s cowriters and ghostwriters contribute. Drake sometimes be receiving completely finished songs

You are speaking with level-headed facts that anyone who works in the industry would validate

No im not yall are lol mob ties, Jumbotron, calling for you are essentially full songs

But triumph tower, know yourself, are not

I don’t know how I can spell it out for yall. Drake is a great writer that writes with others, writes for others, it’s all fluid and all part of the writing process. Great writers write with others, have songs written for them, it’s all fluid.

Drake’s catalog is vast

If you wanna dismiss his merits as a writer because yatchy for a few songs for him then I mean…I guess

No one except internet nerds would say a nigga like drake pen ain’t one of the best of all time

But yes, there are times when he works off of ideas that are given to him.

It’s just not the ‘thing’ some make it out to be. We’re talking about a generational writer

A generational writer working with other writers, having songs written for him isn’t a big deal to me it’s like dinging Michael Jordan for passing the game winner to Steve Kerr or dinging Kobe because he went 6/24 in game 7 of the finals

You would do well to stop going back and forth with people about Drake's pen lol.

There's a reason why every Drake reference track that leaks is always vastly different from the final product and is mostly shown as offering ideas on cadences/flows. None of the songs we consider being some of Drake's greatest songs lyrically are penned by anyone other than him. Rap fans crying about one of the most plorific rappers of our time getting help from time to time on cadences and flows and treating that as some cardinal sin, shows that even after claiming to be huge music fans, they still don't know how the industry works.

Nothing Drake is doing is out of the ordinary. It's all commonplace in the industry, yes, even in rap. Because niggas aren't as thirsty to leak other niggas' references doesn't mean they don't exist. All the artists know what it is. It's the fans who are always acting obtuse.

See, I slightly disagree

There are references like Jumbotron or calling for you where it’s essentially the same thing. It’s very fair to say that there are times where ppl contribute some ideas or entire songs to him.

But that’s not the point to me

But again, we’re talking about a generational all time writer. So like, idk it’s not that big of a deal to me. He wrote Marvin’s room by himself for instance.

We know he’s like that unless you’re some weird hater.

The asks from Drake is also different from virtually every other rapper too. If he was tasked with just raps, and dropping albums once every 3, 4 years I’m sure he could. But he wants to be in rotation every 6 months.

Nevertheless, a nigga like drake who’s that good of a writer having the occasional song written for him just isn’t news IMO

But they're not though. Not exactly. Those songs are all fleshed out by Drake. The references and final versions of Jumbotron S*** Poppin and Calling For You are night and day and Drake also contributed writing to both those songs, even if not extensively on those specific songs.

I'm not disputing that he ran with the ideas of those songs to make them what they are but the only versions of those songs you or anyone else could listen to are the Drake versions because of how fleshed out they are. That in and of itself takes skill.

We don't know if people have contributed entire songs to him before. All we know is that every reference track that's leaked is infinitely better when we get the final versions and Drake's contributions have been added and his contributions are always substantial.

I'm with you on your other point, though. I don't really care to hear from people who don't even understand the difference between having a song ghostwritten and having a song co-written. People who don't understand how commonplace it is in the music industry (yes, even in rap) to have other people contribute to your music, whether that's with lyrics in verses, hooks, cadences or overall melodies so you can end up with a better song than if you chose to go at it entirely by yourself.

It's especially interesting seeing the rap fans criticize Drake for this stuff because we still haven't gotten any references of anyone even co-writing his most lyrical s***, which is what you'd think they'd care about. Every reference that leaks is always for some largely melody-driven endeavor and they still get all up in arms like it's some conviction on his lack of ability as a writer.

I guess I just don't care about this stuff because I was the kid who would cop CDs and quickly flip to the back to read the writing credits so I've always understood that main artists aren't always the only ones in the kitchen and that's okay, especially when they're someone as infinitely talented and prolific as Drake is.

Might be safe to say that beam and drake will not work together anymore after this drama

It's possible that relationship had already fizzled out tbh. Did he have any contributions on $$$4U?

Per Rap Genius he was credited on Something About You and Dog House.

Interesting.

Yeah, that might be a wrap after this s***. Good riddance.

It's clear Drake doesn't need to work with all some of these people but chooses to and he might be better off cutting all of them off because it's really not worth all the drama.

Dog House is a mediocre song at best and Something About You is one of the weaker songs on $$$4U. I won't be surprised if he gets cut off. Yachty had even more notable contributions on two consecutive Drake projects and Drake hasn't worked with him since 2023.

Producer f***ing with Beams money, just like Meek did to QM

It's hilarious because these people are just doing it for clout and to what end? Triumph Tower isn't even a song Drake ended up using

Drake just needs to cut all these niggas off because it really ain't worth all this s***. There's nothing they're contributing to his music that he really can't do himself.

Those Beam references suck and are exactly the type of short monotonous boring flow drake that I havent been liking much in recent years. Glad I can attribute that to beam now. My papi exonerated

I feel you. It is weird cause it is like having a writer who does a terrible karaoke impression of what they think you should sound like

i think beam is this post modern ultra meta artist people dont understand or the most derivative artist ever no inbetween

Lies

just saw this dim guy get jumped this true?

Reference tracks confirm the theory. Lock this s*** up

The references for like Jumbo and Calling 4 u are not night and day. That's kind of disingenuous IMO and at least for me, Idk how those references or records came about.

It could be that they just gave drake that, and drake tracked it and basically put it out.

or not

But like tbh that's not even my point. My point is that this is the Michael Jordan of Hip-Hop songwriting. Who really cares if PND gave him Ratchet Happy Birthday? This is like saying Michael Jordan isn't the GOAT because of a random playoff game where he went 3/20 and the Bulls won anyway.

I think it's extremely noteworthy that all of the reference records are like creative ideas, bounces, flows, which tbh make sense. When you wanna have something in rotation every 6 months, it makes sense that on occasion that's going to come from assistance.

But ultimately, the nigga wrote Marvin's Room and 5am in Toronto so there's no question of his pen so where do we go from here?

That's my point.

there working relationship is fine bro it’s just that producer who decided to post something is going through it

everything is fine that I can tell you like I said that producer who decided to leak everything isn’t all the way there right now he is burning bridges I hope he gets better now to

Yeah I saw his IG stories. Broski is really getting put through the ringer

best part of Triumph Tower was the verse about Baby M at the end anyway