Guess they also had s*** takes about it then, Kanye said Power was his worst single because he was pandering and Tyler said he was holding back and being safe on Flower Boy because he knew his back was to the wall

nah, Dark Fantasy is a dope intro

Yeah weird that they felt the need to do it but I guess it worked out

Foreword is a brilliant intro

Kanye West basically called it that himself

ik, i mean in the way they both introduce the album, its themes etc like a prologue

honestly it's prob my fav song off the album

its good, but it isnt as strong as WTFB.

WTFB would be considered one of the best intros of the decade, Foreword is aight

making great music is pandering lol listen to yourselves

That wasn’t an opinion tho it’s a fact from both artist’s mouth? How is this controversial lol y’all don’t watch/read interviews? 808s and Cherry Bomb (masterpieces) were panned so both got self conscious and made a safe album to appease fans

Damn

ohh, okay I get you

I feel like Foreward is a good intro for rap fans but WTFB is an universal song, s*** is insane, top 5 Tyler for me.

Album is much better the way it is, WTFB feels wrong as an intro. And Foreword transitions right into it

Flower Boy will always be the worst Tyler album for me because it’s obvious he’s holding himself back and being self conscious and safe, it’s sterile in comparison to the rest. That said it was the right move and saved his career so I can accept it as a means to an end. Again, Tyler basically said all this himself

i just popped in the thread. i was talkin about MBDTF

What

There’s a difference between being safe and actualising and fully putting together what he set up and tried to on his earlier and earliest songs.

Kanye said Power is his worst single because he was just tryna give people what they wanted after 808s and he wasn’t pushing boundaries, essentially saying that he was pandering for that album. It’s still great but I believe him

You think Goblin > Flower Boy?

At least it’s real it has more misses but I enjoy the hits more

Fish is S Tier

Yea right now

Yonkers, She, Fish and Nightmare. That's the only songs on there I come back to. But Flowerboy, I only skip the last two tracks and I still wouldn't say they're bad songs

A***og also is amazing and I’d say underrated today

Tyler back