the ratchet happy birthday one has been obvious since the day that song came out though

You say that like Ye’s album run isn’t one of the very best in music, so being below it isn’t some kind of slight.

Drake is more comparable to LL Cool J where it is best to look at his career through the lens of his huge catalog of notable songs and singles rather than just doing the “these albums have songs I don’t personally enjoy so this artist is worthless” thing

People are free to feel how they want about this, but you’re right. I feel like I’ve defended Drake as a rapper way too much historically for the volume of references to be coming out s*** makes me even look at him like bro wtf

As someone who doesnt really care about drake using references,

i love it when some drake fans are like “i dont care if drake uses refs for all his good songs as long as he wrote songs like list of the most boring monotone songs hes ever made”

A respectful take

He’s been in that category for a very long time for me, always like 5 songs i think are standouts then the rest is disposable.

That’s not who he’s been compared to on this site tho and you know it

what does this even mean

No one in real life really cares if you have Jay Z, biggie or lil uzi in your to p 5 oat

this is a music forum

Kinda need the Starrah Fake Love ref now!

Reach

So for Ye you want to “go off what we hear”

But for drake you’d rather speculate

Going off what we hear, drake gets help on melodic and trap type things

There’s never been any talk of a reference for a time stamp song and there never will be. Bad faith and disingenuous

Who does he get compared to even Hov is a valid comparison. Hov album wise isn’t Ye and most of his albums benefitted from revisionist history and are stacked with filler

over half a verse? be serious

They hang on to the “he wrote the timestamp songs tho” as if he’d be even close to the level he’s at just making those type of songs

Why do only Drake references leak if the whole industry allegedly works like this?

I’m not speculating. I’m going off the s*** that is leaking just like I am with Kanye.

Why Hush call himself hand of the 6 god? Why does he have credits on Tuscan leather type songs. It’s all there and you’re still giving dude benefit of the doubt 😂

this also doesn’t make any sense

it doesn’t matter if his songs are pop-rap, trap-style rap, isn’t Drake a rapper?

Why are ppl itt suddenly try to move goalposts as to how which type of rap songs he puts out decides if it counts towards discussion of lyricism lol

starrah is slept on

Because at his level of fame you’re a machine more than an individual.

With a half a billion dollar contract, there’s a lot of moving pieces

Also his leaks get the most attention lol.

Same reason people bring up Hailey Bieber and Millie Bobby but ignore Future/Travis/21/Quavo/Keef/Kodak sleeping with underage little girls

reference tracks for a lot of artists get leaked wdym

His catalog of straight rap/introspective songs is really impressive no matter what

I don’t care that that’s not what made him famous lol BUT I think people might not realize how important those songs were for him early on

In the early 10s you still needed the rap audience and those early confessional tracks played a big role in building his connection with fans

“Fear” was a huge moment in this way I remember the reaction to that being crazy on here

There sure are and we get more every month now

After getting called out for ghostwriting, this guy just doubled and tripled down

What's interesting is, some of the "lazier" songs from a lyrical standpoint seem to be the ones that have leaked references. A huge complaint of his projects is he adds so many fillers to his albums to up streams. If this guy stopped being so lazy he could make a concise album himself, rather then putting all these songs that he's blatantly copying.

same reason only some artists have a lot of leaks. Supply and demand. and lots of rap reference tracks leak yall just dont care if you like them.

Wish more fans on here would be more honest about the optics of this. Don’t need to defend Drake for your life when he’s the one making these decisions

I can’t put him next to Jay considering it’s been proven he doesn’t write all his raps

And lmao you know who he gets compared to, the big 3 has been discussed to death for years.
I’m saying you can’t even make those comparisons now because Cole & Kendrick are true writers until proven otherwise.

Drake is with Ye and Travis atp