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  • Jan 27
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    suzuki

    Music criticism was always fairly psuedo tho compared to film and literature and art criticism

    How?

  • aLIEN

    no one online seems interested in long form content anymore, some of the user reviews from the 2010s were among the best write ups on music I've ever seen but for most people it's no longer worth taking the time to express themselves beyond a meme or a one liner, all of the thoughtful discussion has moved to niche underground communities

    yep I’m deep fried now

  • Jan 27
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    Zoid eve

    Its almost entirely converted into youtube videos

    Yeah and I'm of the belief it's going from youtube videos to short-form now

  • Jan 27
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    Yep, journalism in general is cooked. I was a moron for majoring in it during college.

  • Jan 27
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    hadji

    Yeah and I'm of the belief it's going from youtube videos to short-form now

    Sadly short form videos have no depth. I don't know if you can call NFR podcast music journalists but all their videos are the most surface level rap takes imaginable

  • Jan 27
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    Abyss

    Sadly short form videos have no depth. I don't know if you can call NFR podcast music journalists but all their videos are the most surface level rap takes imaginable

    I think people like Tia Ho who I linked in OP have a surprising amount of depth but yea it is even harder to have depth when u have that kind of time limit / attention span requirements

  • Jan 27
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    Tomata Du Plenty

    Yep, journalism in general is cooked. I was a moron for majoring in it during college.

    I feel for you man a bunch of my friends went into journalism too it's rough out here

  • hadji

    I feel for you man a bunch of my friends went into journalism too it's rough out here

    Thanks man, it's a wrap out there for people trying to crack into journalism full time. I ended up going into non-journalism fields soon after college though, but I definitely wasted tons of money on that education lol.

  • Not watching that but yep

  • Jan 27
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    hadji

    I think people like Tia Ho who I linked in OP have a surprising amount of depth but yea it is even harder to have depth when u have that kind of time limit / attention span requirements

    Just checked it out and she seems pretty good. Maybe its my algorithm thats giving me all this music slop content

  • Jan 27
    Abyss

    Just checked it out and she seems pretty good. Maybe its my algorithm thats giving me all this music slop content

    Yea you gotta intentionally train your algorithm away from the slop. It's crazy

  • Jan 27
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    #yes

  • Jan 27
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    YoungNastyShawty

    #yes

    You still keeping the faint pulse going man

  • aLIEN

    no one online seems interested in long form content anymore, some of the user reviews from the 2010s were among the best write ups on music I've ever seen but for most people it's no longer worth taking the time to express themselves beyond a meme or a one liner, all of the thoughtful discussion has moved to niche underground communities

    Bit ironic in a thread about a 20min video

  • Been that way for a minute

  • Jan 27
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    ever since anyone could get on a mic, have good editing skills, have an okay ear for music, have an ability to glaze “in depth” (really they just telling you nothing amazing about the album you didn’t listen to), and companies started hiring said individuals instead of actual writers and journalists

    yea that s*** dead. artists are sitting across from fans, not actual fan critics of their music

  • Jan 27
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    Valentine

    ever since anyone could get on a mic, have good editing skills, have an okay ear for music, have an ability to glaze “in depth” (really they just telling you nothing amazing about the album you didn’t listen to), and companies started hiring said individuals instead of actual writers and journalists

    yea that s*** dead. artists are sitting across from fans, not actual fan critics of their music

    Do you feel like the problem is that pitchfork / rolling stone were hiring untalented people?

  • hadji

    You still keeping the faint pulse going man

    Still gotta interview you lmao I’m sorry man

  • Jan 27
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    It’s a shame music reaction videos as a genre gets kinda s***ted on in spaces like KTT when IMO they’re just as valuable, if more more, than typical music journalism (ala Pitchfork). It’s hard to find genuine channels out there that aren’t just click baiting, but when you do it’s always pretty good.

    It’s also a shame that someone like Fantano has become the punchline of everyone’s jokes when he’s one of the people that are actually still putting in work with their videos and aren’t just going for clips to go viral.

  • lnstinct

    How?

    Most film/lit critique is heavily based on the narrative, dissecting themes or meanings etc. Music criticism is mostly aesthetic criticism, which is more abstract and therefore more subjective imo.

  • Jan 27
    Jalen Brunson Fan

    It’s a shame music reaction videos as a genre gets kinda s***ted on in spaces like KTT when IMO they’re just as valuable, if more more, than typical music journalism (ala Pitchfork). It’s hard to find genuine channels out there that aren’t just click baiting, but when you do it’s always pretty good.

    It’s also a shame that someone like Fantano has become the punchline of everyone’s jokes when he’s one of the people that are actually still putting in work with their videos and aren’t just going for clips to go viral.

    Yea I like fantano. this thumbnail is 100% trojan horse clickbait I barely mention him in this video

    and I also like reaction content too. I actually defend it in the video a bit

  • Jan 27
    hadji

    Do you feel like the problem is that pitchfork / rolling stone were hiring untalented people?

    good question, have to think about that one lmao

  • Jan 27
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    lnstinct

    How?

    Music critics dont usually know anything about making or writing music or music theory. There are far less character/plot/thematic elements to latch onto and a***yze. Its often just talking about lyrics and then a bunch of totally separate from the music waffling subjective to the writers taste/politics/views. A few great writers excepted of course (scaruffi, azzerad, reynolds off the top of my head)

  • Jan 27
    suzuki

    Music critics dont usually know anything about making or writing music or music theory. There are far less character/plot/thematic elements to latch onto and a***yze. Its often just talking about lyrics and then a bunch of totally separate from the music waffling subjective to the writers taste/politics/views. A few great writers excepted of course (scaruffi, azzerad, reynolds off the top of my head)

    hard to care about music theory when the people making the music are self trained and never been in a music theory class. this why music can’t be compared to film lol

  • Well the masses are illiterate