NF and Logic argument is pretty easy to beat

They can both flow sure but aren’t really “lyrical”

Neither of them have bars, quotables, punch lines, good stories, depth or anything creatively interesting (minus some of Logics earlier stuff)

Keef was obviously way more interesting when he came out because the stuff he was doing was actually new compared to ripoff Eminem (NF) and ripoff big 3 (Logic). So really the “but who makes more interesting music” argument doesn’t even work here because there is no modern artist poppin off with something different like Keef back then

Had to reply to you cause I think that clown blocked me 💀

Reminder that destroy lonely/yeat/ken Carson are all riding the coat tails of a millennial rapper and non of them will top WLR

Millennials can’t stop winning

He mostly in R&B, but he dabbles into other sounds as well, he could do some indie s*** like SZA, some classic R&B s*** like Joyce Wrice, and some Channel Orange stuff like Frank. His lyrics aren't deep, but his songwriting is really refreshing compared to a artist like Yeat

Enjoyable =/= interesting

And that’s the problem all positive adjectives of rap are boiled down into “does it scare the hoes” or essentially if you could play it on the aux around Young niggas lol

What I wanna hear before or after a night of f***ery or at the club or around some women is not what I wanna hear when I’m smoking or when I’m on a long drive

Good stories, quotables and depth is entirely subjective. “Objectively” their rapping on paper is more technical, more complex rhyme schemes and s*** like that.

And no, I didn’t block you bro lol

Also what’s up with the “new guys don’t care about lyrics so those don’t matter” s***

Have any of all ever actually listened to the lyrics of a song and had them resonate? Had them really make you think or feel? They absolutely matter

Idgaf about music “scaring the hoes”. Most of opium would fall under that category. That wasn’t what I was getting to at all.

Nobody said lyrics didn’t matter. Of course they do. I said that being a lyricist doesn’t matter as much as it did in years prior. Those are two different things

The problem with you guys is that you think that if an artist isn’t rapping over a just blaze beat then they are automatically not saying s***.

I mean kinda

To someone that’s not a hip hop fan hearing Logics story about nicotine might be impressive

But if you’ve heard something like Prom/King by Saba or Duckworth by Kendrick then you looking at that nicotine song like “are you f***ing serious?”

And that applies to all those other factors like bars as well

That’s absolutely not true

JID, Kendrick, Cole and a lot of other artists rap over trap beats all the time and are absolutely saying something

It honestly just seems like you have a problem with beats that aren’t trap s***

That’s subjective lol. Someone who says the kendrick song is better isn’t anymore correct than the person saying they prefer logic.

Nah niggas were saying this exact same s*** in the late 2000s/early 2010s

But at that point you could say a Dr Seuss book is more well written then The Great Gatsby lol

It’s ultimately subjective but like cmon…

Not true. Some of my favorite rappers are Kanye, Hov, Camron, Outkast etc.

I just don’t like how y’all try and s*** on niggas that make music and rap a certain way like they are automatically lesser artists or that they don’t have any substance in their songs. It just seems like I’m more biased to these artists because I’m defending them more when really I love most hip hop

Just the other day I saw a thread saying Durk was “really rapping now” because he was rapping over a “real rap” beat when he’s been rapping

This is getting into a whole different argument but It’s not that hard to understand man

If I asked you which group of artists have more variety of sounds and “deeper” more creative lyrics out of 2 groups

1: Future, Lil Baby and Gunna

Or

2: Drake, Cole and Kendrick

Obviously it’s group 2

Artists that tend to focus on lyrics and subjects seem to understand that for different vibes you need different kinds of production. I think any artist that is willing to try out new sounds and write more complex lyrics is a more interesting artist. A lot of people are also tired of the same type of production on every mainstream hip hop album. I don’t think the solution is just make everyone rap over boom bap stuff but it would definitely be a bit more refreshing to just get something different in the mainstream considering it’s all been very similar sounding for almost a decade now

I also wanna say I personally think a lot of more modern sample based music has more variety then modern trap beats

I see people counter the “it’s just a synth/piano loop with trap drums over it” argument with “sample based beats are just a sample with a drum break over it” but fail to mention that these samples come from a large variety of different genres with different instruments from different years in time

I could make 15 drumless sample beats that all sound completely different because they’re all sampled from completely different genres

yeah but lone and ken aren’t music cancer

Its just different, doesnt mean its bad

this is a really dope and nuanced take. Like yea I loved Wayne but not all of his influence was positive

I really wanna know what's gonna happen after the rage s*** dies out fr

I like Carti and Yeat but I do wonder

I said this in another thread but being an influential artist shouldn’t always get you accolades

People act like the artist being copied is always some genius that was ahead of their time when in reality most times they just found an easier and lazier way to do this s*** and still make money (I’m not implying this about Wayne, Despite the s***ty people he inspired, He definitely still deserves his flowers)

It got really overblown in the SoundCloud era where everyone realized you didn’t actually need to be good at music to make money from it and starting just looking the part

Soundcloud era was heinous and you can tell cuz a lot of them niggas careers burnt out very fast once their audience grew up lol

It’s also cause most of them didn’t really build “career’s”

They did everything they could to cheat a way into the spotlight and had no way to sustain themselves once they got there