A Socialist by the name of Alphonse Louis Constant created the always popular image of baphomet. This is the end result. His name is written on the base of the image. His “Hebrew” name f***in joke. He wrote a whole head ass book titled Dogme et Rituel de la Haute Magie.

Look at this f***ery, why include black people into this bs

No, see thats where we differ. I do think reforms are viable, and I do believe we can see reform that will at least help people in America that need it, and we shouldn't sit on that opportunity even it's not the end goal since oppression will always exist under capitalism.

Even the WWP, at least in a literal sense, has ran on presidential tickets. I've done what I can in the sense of just trying to educate people about socialism, but like youve said its a long-term struggle. and to me that starts with with educating people, allowing them to see the failures of the electoral politics and letting them know things aren't as easy as just electing someone and things will just be better all the time.

Like, it's just not as easy to get people to commit to a long term struggle when they have things like crippling medical debt or a family they need to feed. It's the harsh reality of how things are in America. How can you worry about the next man, when you have to do everything you can to feed your family, let alone worry about the afghani farmer? it's a gradual process of teaching people, educating them about the how the system works and created those conditions, and in a broader sense of how that guy half a world away has just as much value as anyone simply because he's a human being.

but it also means that their reality cannot be ignored. if things like medical debt, student debt, homelessness etc., can be alleviated in the mean time, maybe we take that win if we can get it.

like i've tried and sometimes succeeded in at least making some people more warm to socialism lately, and so many have this misconception that it's just "when people benefit even when they dont work" that i think it takes a lot of time to get them to harbor revolutionary sentiments.

I would make the case that Bernie being presidency would actually make more of a difference for people in the Global South than in the US.

Evo Morales would still be president of Bolivia, thousands of Venezuelans wouldn't have died because of US sanctions against their country, same with Iran, the Cuban embargo would be lifted, US troops would get out of Afghanistan, the genocidal war against Yemen would stop etc.

Sanders won't dismantle the US empire, but let's not act like he's just a John Bolton type neocon who also happens to like medicare for all. There's a reason Maduro, Morales and Lula endorsed him.

Reformism won't put an end to capitalism, a revolution will be necessary, but if we can't even mobilize support for some minor reforms, what makes you think that we'll be ready for a revolution?

A Bernie presidency won't accomplish our goals, but it's obviously better to have him in office than Trump, or any other major candidate for that matter. Yes Lula is a reformist social democrat, but does that mean that it we should act like there's no difference between him and Bolsonaro? Or that we shouldn't support him over his reactionary opponents? The Communist Party of Brazil has given their answer to that question.

You already understand the difference between Bernie, Lula, and the difference in class position that the two inhabit, don't be cheeky because you want to compare them on the basis that they're "democratic socialists".

What you're talking about is trade union consciousness, not revolutionary consciousness; and its this difference which seperates the labor movement from the movement for revolutionary socialism. This is why its important to read Marx and Lenin, the job of the communist party is not to improve conditions in the working class through reforms, its to mobilize our class for the purpose of revolution. If those two incidentally coincide than so be it, but Marx wrote specifically in the Communist Manifesto why we aren't reformists and trade unionists.

Socialism In 2019

They're in different situations for sure, but it's an example of how we should not always dogmatically turn our backs to reforms.

It was just one part of my argument for why we should support Bernie over other candidates anyway.

Don't think the USA (goat country) would ever have a real socialist or commie party in office. Yeah, closest would be Bernie.

That's also what the Romanovs said

nobody is trying to put a socialist in office, we're going to break up this prison house of a country and establish a proletarian dictatorship

where my boy Tyler at

Ayy ur back

hi <3

Just when you think this thread couldn't get any worse LITA shows up. 😂

good to have u back

who are you again

how have i never seen this before?
crowder got so triggered by the first guy lmaooo
did he ever did another "live" episode after this?

Isn’t it just so much easier to just get a job and accrue familial wealth? You would deffinetly lead a better quality of life

i forgot nobody in socialist countries has jobs, thank you so much for coming here and explaining this to me

Lol this was a huge problem for the Soviet Union lol they tried to seize the means of production unfortunately they barely produced anything in the first place

must be hard being a dipshit