TO SPECIFY: Like how many albums fr from a career pivot alone inspired so many trying to do the same thing, so many peers trying to do the same thing, popularizing a subgenre to the level it did. ON ITS OWN AS AN ALBUM.

IMMEDIATELY and in the 5 years following? While being so iconic and visible. That level of people trying to look like them, dress like them, performing like them. Edit: emphasizing it as a singularity point

List rn:

Trap house
TM101
Tha Carter 3
Finally Rich/almighty so
Rappa Ternt sanga
YRN

Maybe flockaveli
Maybe 808s

808s and heartbreak

Rappa Ternt Sanga

Tha Carter III

Finally rich/ BFTD

Thugs run but we'll boil it down to Barter 6

808s I wanted to say but if we being fr that album’s impact is overrated and was moreso long term, 808s didn’t have all his peers and a whole generation trying to make their own versions or hits like it. Rappers turned melodic cause of Futuristic swag, T pain, curi.

Rappa Trent sanga and Carter 3 are good ones. Great ones

Only thing I can think of is finally rich by chief keef? Barter 6 wasn’t alone responsible for its influence, it was a career buildup of thug but maybe that.
Future influence was alr there full force by ds2.
Trap house by gucci mane and TM101 by jeezy I think r good ones.

I mean like one singular album u can point to btw not like something representative of a building career, like ds2 people were alr influenced by then, barter 6 perhaps but i dont think its that album moreso just thugs career.

WLR alone had immediate copycats, people tryna dress like dude, popularized a subgenre, people trying to perform like him, his peers all tryna get hits off it, made him a superstar, and a whole generation is full of people who have it as like their fav ever

real af but it’s influence was more underrated

this is gonna be hard bc we've gone past shaming biting and now straight up copying is fully accepted

I mean I don’t rly see it much but that’s kinda to my point then

Since some of my picks have already been named, I'd say Kid Cudi's MOTM series as a whole was very influential to the rise of Emo Rap.

MOTM is great I was thinking that too especially with Travis but like what albums or artists were tryna make just their version of man on the moon like that? or tryna dress like cudi? It did help develop like the melodic vulnerability and vibe of stoner records in the 10s tho for sure but it’s not rhetorical I’m tryna think fr

I think for Travis for sure

Eh...what?

808's was super influential not just to hip hop but even pop music.

Lana, Weeknd, and Lorde cited it as an influence ffs.

And, in rap, it basically helped pave the way for Drake's rise and impacted tons of rappers rap wise and production wise.

I could understand if you said Yeezus. Niggas overstate the influence of that one. But not 808's.

Jesus christ just kill me now

bc op is using influence in a newer sense where you literally have to copy it to be considered an influence

I’m not twin. WLR influenced a lot of s*** that isn’t just copying. Rage is a subgenre that existed b4 him. I just mean to the level of also having copycats, and influencing the game in so many ways other than also the obvious sonic influence.

My thing is people I think conflate the influence of a lot of other things with 808s in rap atleast. Like people say oh people making melodic rap music is influenced by 808s and to an extent sure, but also I’d say T pain, Cudi, futuristic swag wave with people like rich kidz and Roscoe dash is way more responsible for that. Especially cudi. Tho 808s influence is looong term with people like juice and Uzi later

Drake I can get that for sure. And 808s is influential to be clear

For Drakes early sound I can hear that.

Ah...I see.

But, with that said, I'd say Flockaveli and Finally Rich are tied in impact.

good picks I’d agree. The more I think about flockaveli the more true it is actually.

Facts you can even feel 808s influence on so far gone and TML I don’t know what OP is talking about lmao

peep my response I agree on the Drake front

chief beef

So what influence did WLR have outside of the opium/rage sphere?

I wouldn’t say it existed before him. Even the name “rage” comes from miss the Rage

Sofaygo had his hits before whole lotta red, Ken Carson Yale was an indie hit earlier that year, Cochise was already on that in January, the song that led to opium discovering destroy lonely was 6 months before WLR and it was a rage song, Ssgkobe, yeat, midwxst was flirting with it before wlr too.

WLR was early though and popularized it in the mainstream and super important, but he didn’t invent rage. He fused it from stuff around him with tread and his own influences.