F*** a album but Signed to The Streets, Almighty So, Slime Season were all much more important and infuential

808s is a literal breaking point for the entirety of modern popular music

808s impact overrated?? Bro are you serious lmao

808s influence is a bit overrated but in some ways also underrated. I can say the same about WLR. The sound of WLR wasn't something Carti just pulled out of thin air. It was evolving from the mid 2010s and WLR was like the album that was able to put all these waves together in a coherent way

Nah you dont get it WLR shaped rage, a music genre that was relevant for 3,5 years!

inspired yeat who inspired Ian

I’m not claiming WLR is the most impactful just a list of what’s on its level since it is pretty high up there

Sofaygo was not making rage lol. S*** like knock knock and let the girls slay was what blew him up. That wasn’t rage. Off the map had rage synths but he wasn’t really making rage music like that.

Yeat was making YSL music before WLR dropped.

2019-2020 nobody was really making what we know as rage. It wasn’t really until 2021 that everyone got on the wave.

Barter 6 is probably more influential than WLR

I think you’re conflating influential = singular point. Yes, to your point there were movements bubbling that surrounded that crooning type of rapping/singing but 808s has been credited by a lot of people influenced by is as a major inspiration to their musical philosophy. I don’t think that because it wasn’t the first body of work that reflected that style but more so the biggest inflection point of that style. Just my two cents. Also FWIW Kanye was dabbling in that style pre 808s too I mean even on Graduation you could hear certain elements of it just not as a drastic leap into that soundscape

Listen to Yeat before WLR

Bro thought he was Gunna

Well the thing of it popularizing a whole subgenre and scene and making it the biggest thing mainstream and underground is big tho.

But, to answer, even now outside of rage we have new subgenres with artists that are still inspired by WLR era carti. The new age fascination with surrealism, non hip hop “lower art” influences like punk and y2k revivalism on WLR in a mainstream capacity, the way he performed the album with the yelling running and pure energy crowdwork, the “rockstar” aesthetic, the way people dressed like him and how that became a influential wave that’s part of modern fashion, the rising electronic influence, the way people do 808s now.

Multiple mainstream artists that have important works in their own right are inspired by it. A generation is full of people who have it as their fav album. It’s one of the most talked about iconic projects of its time. It turned him into a superstar.

I’ll give you most of those things to an extent and maybe bc i dont operate in those spaces/consume that music i underrate its influence. But electronic influence? I cant do that

p sure this is produced by outtatown too

This is the first fully developed rage beat:

Yes rage evolved but those were still rage songs, just early rage. A lot of stuff on WLR was borderline just tread, he had parts that were rage, but yeah idk on what basis these aren’t rage though.

Sofaygo was branded as a rage artist, he didn’t release a project after after me for 2 years yet he was considered rage I remember this quite clearly. I haven’t heard a claim otherwise

Real! Not as in influence on electronic influence, as in the influence on rappers to get a lot more influence of electronic music and harsh electronic sounds in rap music I’d say

There were sooooooooooo many artists (whether they popped or not is one thing) who started singing with autotune and distortion over space synths or filtered soul samples after 808s. Like literally every time someone that wasnt on “Real Hip Hop” or Dirrty South music showed you their myspace demo or blog song, it would have a section with that sound. The problem with tracing Kanye influence was nobody was able to take it further so it remained central to himself after that year or 2 of people attempting to bite whatever project he dropped last

Ah gotchu yeah that’s p cool I hear that, and I wasn’t aware of that cuz I was a kid. I think both are true though, 808s was influential for sure next to cudi esp long term but I just wouldn’t agree with its painting as this shifting of everything in rap good point really. That makes sense, prolly why like 2015-2017 sc wave is where u saw this influence really come up a lot

I’ll give you Yale but that’s it. I already mentioned off the map. That song has the rage synths but that’s it. That song wasn’t really representative of what he was making or what blew him up.

That Cochise song is a straight up Carti cosplay. We aren’t giving him credit for s***

There was a handful of songs that had elements of what would later become rage but rage itself didn’t become a sub genre until 2021.

The meta in 2019-2020 was Die Lit type music and or YSL music

And Why r we dismissing the Cochise song as carti cosplay the beat is a rage beat carti wasn’t making rage beats Cochise was on that. Vocally sure but I’m talking the beat.

And yea faygo did a large variety of sounds but that was a huge song and pivotal for rage. I don’t see how it isn’t rage the synths, chord progressions, the 808s are all rage just the early style, it’s not another subgenre of trap. If you use a beat like that it was called rage. .

Like this is a bad example of rage but we would still call it that

Rage wasn’t formally called that till the miss the rage snippet yes but that was after WLR released

Lowkey extend my keef picks to B2/as tbh

Those tapes def birthed a generation within 5 years fs

MBDTF/WTT don’t get talked about enough for their influence. Ton of 2010s rap albums in the early part of the decade went for that grandiose sound but couldn’t reach it. Trav probably the main example.

Plus, do we have all the collab albums in the last 15 years without WTT? Don’t think so tbh

Rodeo had people trying to do forced ass beat switches

Bro WLR came out like 2 weeks after that Faygo tape that had off the map on it.

And everyone knows 2019 Cochise was just doing his best Carti impressions.

If you can only name like 4 or 5 songs that had rage elements I don’t see how you can call it a sub genre.

2021 post WLR was when everyone got on the sound. Listen to Kankan before WLR and then listen to his stuff in 2021. That’s how all these niggas were

5 months before WLR

8 months before it

Cochise vocally just sounded like carti but that beat is a rage beat bro. Yes rage wasn’t formally a genre but it was a developing sound carti was a part of, he didn’t invent the sound. As I said he popularized it, pulling from things around him in the underground and mixing it with his own influences, and tread.
Ken produced on whole lotta red

But yea that’s part of my point, everyone hopped on it after WLR. It was the explosion moment, it popularized it. But he didn’t create it, WLR was just pivotal to its development.