damn thank you for that quote, actually educated me that this is a conversation occurring and I’m glad to hear how someone within the community would handle observing the difference that clearly exists despite a shared sexuality

Remember watching this awhile back.

A Black Power Media Discussion with Members of ADOS: American Descendants Of Slavery

That FBA s*** is a signifier of profound mental retardation to me

I fully respect acknowledging distinctions and wanting to be your own thing though. But if mutual verbal disrespect turns you crazy your spirit is brittle lol

And nothing against tribalism but we would not benefit from that at all here

fight bacc 💜🤞

the worst part about being ADOS and caribbean is that you are at the cross roads of these discussion

it’s often illuminating just sitting back and hearing people speak, how narrow minded “both” sides can be

the black diaspora is filled with so much trauma and we are constantly INVALIDATED for that trauma. when i hear one group make ignorant statements about the other, i have started to have more empathy and just fall back from engaging

I might get killed for this but i do truly feel the gay and trans stuff is something white people popularized so they could shirk the role of being the oppressor class. Its insane how insulting it is to group all gay people like their one oppressed class

Like in what world does a gay white person have the same experiences as a gay black person in this country. Same for black women and white women

They also use homosexuality to justify imperialism. The American media was demonizing Uganda for decades acting like they're some dystopia for gay people. Whole time the American politicians and people dont like gay people either

Which is crazy cause homophobia is a western import

Folks in Africa was doing whatever in pre-colonial times. Sexuality was more seen as a spectrum before #themcrackas came into play.

Just like Uganda if you look into who backs their regime it’s literally far-right missionaries and the western empire lol.

certain Black people online will dig through the annals of history to prove they're not just African they're Moors.. or Native American.. or Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Dominican, etc.

Even niggas are running away from being African and don't want to take hold of the rich cultures and history from Africa that while these people may not Embrace them, at least you get a sense of "this is where we started" rather than trying to re-write Black History.

nah man its different

Most people like us were raised with a connection to Africa, in one way or another, even if you never went

even if your parents didn't have an accent

the story is different

our people Chose to come here and theirs were forced

As a Nigerian raised in America, it's a vast difference of just how you view yourself from a young age, and really in many cases, how quickly you can start to feel 'othered' among Black Americans / ADOS / FBAs.

I'm in my 20s and my mom would slap the taste out of my mouth if she ever heard me say 'nigga' in her presence, because that's not something that aligns with her values or how she would ever want someone in her family to view themselves as. it's kinda f***ed up how it is, because the Black Civil Rights movement literally paved the way for them to have opportunity in this country, or others like Canada, UK, Norway.
So growing up, I really had to un-learn a lot of negative stereotypes that my family / culture has regarding Black Americans and painting them all with the same brush.

you're f***ed up for phrasing it to them like that

It's Black History Month

This couldn't wait til March?

ion see how u typed that first line n thought any other time wud be more perfect to discuss this

Is Black History Month not a valid time to call out a movement that spreads hate amongst the black population? These coons have more smoke for niggas than our white oppressors

We don't say 'oh it's Black History Month, let's not talk bad about Candace Owens & Clarence Thomas, we'll push their coonery to the side until March. '

'Hey let's not go too hard on Thomas Sowell this month, it's Black History Month. '

' I know Boyce Watkins said

'maybe Malcolm & Martin shouldn't have fought for Black right's & liberation so soon, maybe they should've first focused on securing their financial wellbeing & ensuring their families' had Generational wealth. Take care of things in your house first, before you focus on the world'

but hey it's Black History Month, we can give him a pass for the cooning, we don't need to talk about tough topics '

No lie, Boyce Watkins need to be shot 1000 times for that statement, worst thing I heard in years

Explain this to me. Cause from what i know about african religious and tribal practices. I dont know where homosexuality would come in. Most of west and north Africa was muslim so they certainly wouldnt practice homosexuality

laughs in Nigerian yan dudu tribe (a historical queer community that predates Islamic influence in Northern Nigeria, these men dressed and behaved in ways traditionally associated with women.)

You gotta understand there was a time before Islam and Christianity. Hell, the Ifa religion in Nigeria, there's multiple names for Olodumare (the "big homie") that implies a different genders which imo makes sense, if you God the creator of everything and nothing, it's hubris to assign any gender to the being that literally created everything and nothing

The pre-colonial world was very loose with sexuality because...well there wasn't really a set of rules. Obviously with different societies I'm sure there were some folks that aint rock with homosexuality but the "kill the gays" s*** that is being pushed now was not a thing when there were tombs in Ancient Egypt that revealed two male bodies embracing each other (Niankhkhnum and Khnumhotep)

There's a book called Boy Wives and Female-Husbands that go into detail of all the non-hetero practices that happened in Africa. Hell, there's san bushmen (Zimbabwe) cave paintings from 2000 years ago that depicted men in intercourse.

Two Spirit wasn't just a native american thing.

A lot of what we hear about African homosexuality is told through a colonial European lens, y'know the same people that imported Christian oppressive doctrine to the land of Africa even though they themselves admitted:

Sir Richard Burton, who once proclaimed queerness as exogenous to sub-Saharan Africa to the point of literally excising such practices from his map ironically, acknowledged 16th Century Portuguese sources which observed instances of male homosexuality among the Kongo tribe. These sources, penned by European travellers, spoke of men who refused to wear traditionally masculine clothes and who “served as passive women in the ‘abominable sin’” (Murray & Roscoe, p.142).

tl;dr: Niggas been gay dawg lol.

FBA is a term for it I guess but even without this term, I thought this was commonly known amongst people but I guess not lol

An African that came here in the 90s or whenever, isn’t the same or have any of the same functions that black Americans essentially built over decades. Not a generation but multiple

How come there isn’t the same for Cuban niggas or Dominicans that were enslaved hundreds of years ago but only is it black Americans that gets counterattacked. Is it because of proximity to white Americans or how influential black Americans are

I don’t think people even realize but African Americans DNA/generation literally is apart of the foundation of building America 😂 u can talk this s*** in circle to anybody. Don’t waste your time explaining to people that willingly ignore history.

There is a huge difference bro. The stories, the feelings, and everything from your parents experienced, your grandparents experiences Is told down through generations and so forth

Just because an individual lived here or was born here but as a first gen, it doesn’t give them an equal pathway of being similar to an African American and what experiences their grandparents dealt with and passed down through generations

You and a neighbor can live next to each other but still have a different living experience even though it’s the same thing from the outside

Literally bro lolll

I think the difference is simply just culture

outside of that, my home life was similar to most my homies in the next apartment. raised by a “single” mom with a dad out the house either hustling or not really in your life. think I used to see my dad like 3-4 times a year before he resigned, by then I was graduating lmfao. I get what you mean tho, it extends past that, I just hate that the slight cultural difference is separating us even further and people eating it up