frfr i dont know what is even anymore

This allegedly came after some replies under his d’angelo picture on twitter was…well typical edgelord s***.

I hope him and Donald/Bino acknowledge this. I love both of them, but they really need to

They both probably believe in that one everlasting Draya quote and dont realize thats not how the real world works.

I hear you @op but he was young and very dumb, as well as talented, he was figuring himself out and I think he’s doing a good job at doing his best to make sure his art stays true to his blackness

We all understand that.

It’s the lack of acknowledgment and accountability that we dont understand

His early fanbase's demo is only a small part of his current fanbase

Although semi anti nigga who i don't like/selective about which niggas I like Tyler probably influenced them
'I like Waka Flocka but me and OF basically did the D-Generation X Nation Of Domination sketch on 106 & Park & dissed the majority of mainstream rappers'

I'd say 1/27 of current Tyler fans even know much about his pre Cherry Bomb career

He was young & feeling slighted, most of his early interviews are scrubbed off the net now
E.g. that one when he almost fought one of the dude's behind the camera & Syd got annoyed at him
Or the one of him saying the black community was messed up because of some things & because he got clowned for a slipknot shirt

I think he can acknowledge it more directly but he’s acknowledged it quite literally several times lol

I think people should ask him to be more direct and concise rather than asking him to acknowledge it in general because at this point everybody has been repeating the same cycle since like 2019

Sorta surprised his fanbase is still that way? The people that came in with him as edgy teenagers feeding off his and OFs rambunctious energy are now like 28+ years old.

Im not disputing his part in cultivating this fanbase but Im surprised its still that edgy and corny

I feel like he’s acknowledged it multiple times within the music and interviews

I hate whenever Tyler collabs with a more street based artist because he’s actually a fan of them, his fans either say we don’t want to hear it or they try and act like the only reason they sound good is because of Tyler

They did it with Maxo Kream, YB, Sexyy Red, 42 Dugg etc

I think people aren’t satisfied with his acknowledgments which is fine, I definitely think there is so much more deeper he can go with it

But I think the confusion comes where people ask him to acknowledge it and in his mind he’s like I have several times

Communication about it should be better, and I honestly don’t think its really a bad ask like hes definitely someone who sees stuff people say

Can we have a dialogue?

While I see the anger from him being ignorant back in the day, and I’m not justifying it..

however, we don’t talk about the reason why he felt the need to do that and it’s cause he wasn’t being accepted for his art early on but you had mfs like Eminem being accepted in the black community for the same edgelord/alternative s***.

“alternative” black dudes were barely accepted in those spaces especially in the 2000s and early 2010s. You had to either be street or Kanye West to be put on BET or played on radio in that time.

I’m also happy to be called out wrong for this but that’s the way I always saw this especially with Bino and him.

They want him to just come out and say “fuck white people, I don’t actually like yall” but that’s obviously not gonna happen

People dont realize its new people lol, its little kids still

This idea that its a bunch of people from 2011 still on this is another reason why I think discourse around this topic needs to be elevated.

He's at 51m monthly on spotify & doing worldwide arena tours, it ain't the same fanbase these days imo

Those of us in the thread were there for the early days but 80% of his current fanbase probably weren't aware

Nah you’re mistaken. The same black people that were turned off by Tyler’s antics were not Eminem fans.

What’s the line between gatekeeping black art from white people and wanting more white people tuned into black art? I’m confused

The thing is I don’t even think Tyler would have much of a problem even doing that, I think the problem is Tyler needs to directly acknowledge the change and why he was ever like that.

I think Tyler has acknowledged that OF was crazy, he said offensive things, and he isn’t on that anymore as many times as he can. I think people want a deeper conversation where he says directly the way he interacted with black culture at times was off and sent the wrong message, which again I don’t think is a bad request at all. But people need to be more in depth about what they even want from him instead of recycling the same talking points that have already been addressed and on Tyler’s end its cool hes changed but I think he only highlights the change and could have a much deeper discussion if he highlighted what he changed from and why he felt the need to make that change

Yeah, thats where my confusion stems from. Hes made such a conscious effort to break off of that stuff that Im surprised he cultivated a new fanbase of edgy kids.

I guess thats also me just having a blind spot to kids because I have zero kids in my life

Idk bro, the average black young gen x/older millenials still think this guy is the GOAT of rap.

I don’t get why people are saying his new fans are edgy, they aren’t edgy they’re just disrespectful and ignorant

His old fans were edgy

There's definitely truth to what you are saying & it was definitely a small mindedness

Sort of like how people would find Sorry To Bother You weird as a black film but they'd be fine with a white guy making it

There has been a large amounts of self policing/scrutiny/'nah that's white/you ain't black/oreo' (for stuff that is normal/acceptable)

I remember seeing a Zack Fox video where he was talking about new niggas repping anime when they used to clown folks for it but now Megan & them got it looking cool so it's more accepted.

It's almost like the umpteenth tweet about a black person admitting they liked Paramore or 00s pop punk but felt too embarrassed to admit it

I don’t think I knew a single black adult that was an Eminem fan when I was growing up tbh but maybe thats just my personal experience lol

I know obviously he has black fans I was a big eminem fan as a kid but yeah maybe its a certain type of black person who feels that way

I’d actually love for him to deep dive on this in general. I would love for a journalist to ask him about this in the next interview but I just don’t know who would do that at this point.