Also to this

You can say they’re outliers but in my city and damn near region they aren’t. I’m not even tryna paint them in a negative light they’re both creative great people they just arent into Q Tip’s style

Saying Tribe is one of the biggest selling rap groups idk about that. Theyve sold like a collective 5M records. There just arent many groups but I feel like they still wouldnt be like a top 10 highest selling group

the difference is Andre aint stop wearing that weird s*** and if anything felt emblazened to go even further. I remember the pimp trick master click skits too lol.

Tribe AND Outkast also both have the fortunate luck of already establishing a solid black audience before said "pivot" versus Tyler who did it the opposite way.

Totally

She was like 19, imagine being around 10 guys on their first tour as a 19 year old woman lol

Spike Lee & Questlove etc have acknowledged how black entertainers almost engage in neo minstrelsy when they have to perform their black art to a mostly non black fanbase

I know it must feel messed up as a real nigga on stage to look down at a fanbase who picks you as one of the good ones when you probably have a lived experience that featured racism & disrespect from the same people who now say 'I Love You :Taylor '

That is a great point

Tyler has bad foresight in that regard. I hope this doesn’t come off like I’m completely disagreeing with you also

hence why I said one of, not "the" best (factually and ironically that goes to Outkast)

no not at all dude I get what you saying

tl;dr: as the years go by more people realize why noname had that breakdown that she did.

That s*** has to eat at you as a black artist yo.

LMAO

I thought it was bad on here, they’re a lot worse

and it's like you can subscribe to just keeping your art authentically and militantly black (e.g. $ilkmoney for example) but then you put a ceiling on your outreach.

It's a tangled web that niggas gotta weave man.

twitter is always a lot worse on everything broseph

& also the only known LGBTQ person when there was LGBTQ Slurs all over the other folks lyrics
(I know you know that but thought I'd add it)

yeah but they're the "I like Tyler because he's more of an artist than a rapper" type of edgelords

speaking of Earl, MIKE is kind of an interesting case in this whole "appeal" discussion @Mitchell

I don’t be on there unless it’s a tweet someone sends on here tbh

A lot of brain damage concentrated in one place

Oh yea definitely, times were edgy

But bro wasn’t labeled as a sell out for having white fans. It was expected with the alternative skater s***.

Admittedly it was newage at first but I just wouldnt say he necessarily cultivated a culture tho. I think he more capitalized off of a movement that he was a part of. Which is why he wasn’t as chastised in the beginning

But In hindsight, L.

They have evolved

5 pages of nuanced discourse (I hope)

Any rap artist that’s perceived as remotely out of the box or “””artsy””” has fans like this

Kendrick and Kanye got them too

call me biased as op but I think so

mitchell made me actually think back to pre-samoa Earl like yeaaaa he was wilding wilding lol.

Regardless of how long ago it was, Tyler does have a lot he needs to answer for:

If they aren’t a top 10 highest selling rap group i wouldnt say they’re one of the highest selling

I love tribe to death too but even they exist in somewhat of a niche and they make the blackest music possible.

I definitely think you can be outcasted in any community not just the black community for having your own interest, thats basically the point im trying to make thats what comes with not being a monolith. Now in the case of people like Tyler & Donald i definitely think it turned into self hatred for them and I don’t excuse that at all but I don’t think we’re having genuine convos when we act like our community is somehow different from every other community and all accepting. That plus I do think both of them have also helped me when I was younger feel a bit more understood as a child and I was also luckily able to identify that I didn’t need to adopt their anti blackness maybe because I was already deeply immersed in blackness as a child and loved it

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Syd actually was a heavy defender of their right to say slurs i can post the interview if yall want

But i do think w the slurs thing there were multiple closeted gay OF members and i think they knew that even then on top of being edgy